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<h1>- DRAFT -</h1>
<h1>Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference</h1>
<h2>23 Jun 2010</h2>
<p><a href=
'http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html'>Agenda</a></p>
<p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-irc">IRC
log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
<div class="intro">
<dl>
<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>DKA, +1.781.273.aaaa, MacTed, hhalpin, +1.617.879.aabb,
+1.617.848.aacc, cperey, tpa, paul, petef, melvster1,
+1.510.931.aadd</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>hhalpin</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>MacTed</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
<ul>
<li>
<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
<ol>
<li><a href="#item01">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
2010-06-16T15:00-17:00GMT</a></li>
<li><a href="#item02">final report update</a></li>
</ol>
</li>
<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
</ul>
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<p class='phone'></p>
<p class='phone'></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 23 June
2010</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> hello all</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> I'm not getting the
7994 conference code recognised dialling in to the UK no.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> Any ideas?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> Chair: Harry</p>
<h3 id="item01">Convene SWXG WG meeting of
2010-06-16T15:00-17:00GMT</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> scribenick:
MacTed</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> scribe: MacTed</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> PROPOSED: to
approve minutes from June 16th meeting.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> RESOLVED: approved
minutes from June 16th meeting</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> PROPOSED: Meet
again June 30th - topic: final report</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> RESOLVED: meeting
again June 30th</p>
<h3 id="item02">final report update</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> Also - sorry but I will
have to leave the call today at 16:45 UK time - unavoidable I'm
afraid.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>paul</cite>> and paul</p><a name=
"action01" id="action01"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to write introduction. [recorded
in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-144
- Write introduction. [on Daniel Appelquist - due
2010-06-30].</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReportElementsDiscussion">
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReportElementsDiscussion</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> agreed! good
goal!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Intro-fodder">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Intro-fodder</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> ACTION
<strong>[CONTINUES]</strong>: DKA to write introduction</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Sorry, couldn't
find user - <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> Could somebody remind
me what the US no. is for the conf call?</p><a name="action02"
id="action02"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> DKA to
write introduction [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Business-considerations-section-draft">
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Business-considerations-section-draft</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> Ta</p><a name=
"action03" id="action03"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> PeterF to
make picture of landscape. [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> Peter - do you have
experience making sort of graphics?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster1</cite>> struggling to
enter the pass code</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> tpa to
work on a summary extract of the Social Web current use-cases
for part 3 on wiki pages [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> :-)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> hhalpin I'm certainly
no graphic designer, but 'sort of graphics' maybe.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> wonders if we can
recruit Fabien Gandon for some graphics, he did a great job
with some earlier W3C work</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>tpa</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/RequirementsAndUseCases-WorkArea">
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/RequirementsAndUseCases-WorkArea</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>tpa:</cite> editing use cases as linked;
keeping the bulk of what's there</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster1</cite>> hi sorry mic isnt
working</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster1</cite>> can type here
...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> hhalpin I certainly
wouldn't take offence if Fabien was able to help</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster1</cite>> OWF sent out a
query about licences and projects ...</p><a name="action05" id=
"action05"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> hhalpin
and melvster to write State of the Social Web in 2010 [recorded
in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster1</cite>> work on etherpad
in progress ... <a href=
"http://openetherpad.org/Ea4YsoZGeU">http://openetherpad.org/Ea4YsoZGeU</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> adding link to
etherpad to wiki</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> backchannel conversation
about melding some W3C and OpenWeb Foundation work</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> melvster - if you
can, add link to etherpad to <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReportElementsDiscussion">
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReportElementsDiscussion</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> hi</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> They are
separable</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> yes, different
groups</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> woo hoo!!</p>
<p class='phone'>hhalpin - yeah, this is what I meant... I'm
really not good at extracting salience (and dictation is
worse)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>hhalpin</cite>> scribenick:
hhalpin</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> FOAF+SSL is a
misnomer<br />
... FOAF is just one nice ontology<br />
... we have shown it can tie itself to OpenID and different ID
systems</p>
<p class='phone'>what about browser support for
certificates?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> Apple your not allowed
to tell</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>MacTed</cite>> iOS4 is fully
released now; we can report whether something works or not</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> not sure re mobile
phones<br />
... bug report on chrome and bug report on firefox to fix
certificate management<br />
... they should be able to change certificate and
connection</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>paul:</cite> lot of work to do to make
user experience on login<br />
... even if you stay in domain of browsers<br />
... people don't want certificate management, password
selection, infocard selection at once<br />
... each of these technologies have different user
experience<br />
... when I look at this way<br />
... one wants a standard multi-protocol website discovery
document<br />
... with a significant work in Kantara</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>DKA</cite>> This discussion, to me,
reinforces the idea that we need to recommend 2 separate
efforts / WGs: (1) Social Web Data Model and (2) Social Web
Identity</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>paul:</cite> enhancing discovery so a
human with a browser can have a significant user
experience<br />
... in kantara group, we have focussed on this
user-experience</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> I think we are
agreeing</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>paul:</cite> absolute agreement<br />
... I believe there will be multi-protocol identification</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> there is a bug in SSL
protocol, not sure when your certificate is being sent<br />
... a real bug that needs to be fixed<br />
... that can be tied into user experience</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> lets go further than
co-ordination group<br />
... there isn't a mechanism for OWF<br />
... other than a license</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> the bug report for
chromium <a href=
"http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=29784">http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=29784</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> hammer out a liason
agreement with OWF to participate in joint effort with a
chartered W3C WG<br />
... like WHATWG with HTML5.<br />
... and that group would look at overall integration<br />
... a real valuable service</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://www.w3.org/QA/2010/06/best_place_new_standards.html">http://www.w3.org/QA/2010/06/best_place_new_standards.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vision-newstd/">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vision-newstd/</a></p>
<p class='phone'>More things like HTML5 more open work, taking
work that's already widely implemented - stuff like
ActivityStreams and then basically fast-tracking or
endorsing</p>
<p class='phone'>upper-end of the standardization stack,
there's also a lot with talk of ISO</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> chairs..
understanding what the SWXG will recommend to W3C and getting
agreement on that is important, however, the politics are not
as important (to me at least). I'd like to have this meeting
come back to the process of preparing the final report of the
SWXG</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>paul:</cite> big players are looking at
the IP policies and are concerned</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster1</cite>> David Rudin (OWF)
offered to help</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> so what would be
needed for WebId standaradisation is:</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> Stage 1: core spec
of WebID (foaf+ssl)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> - review of
ontology</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> -
security/IETF review in detail with TLS people, and
recommendation to IETF TLS group perhaps.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> Stage 2: additional
protocols tie in:</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> - tie ins with
OpenId, o(x)auth, liberty etc.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> - other
issues</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> I think Stage 1,
can be done as a sole project</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> gap analysis
[GREAT!] politics...</p><a name="action06" id="action06"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to draft bullet points straw-man
for gap analysis [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-145
- Draft bullet points straw-man for gap analysis [on Daniel
Appelquist - due 2010-06-30].</p>
<p class='phone'>the gap analysis is obviously quite important
and a bit under-developed, but as soon as DKA is done we'll
move on the rest of the final report</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> paul who? sorry</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> ah yes</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> ok</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>paul:</cite> next week in Ukraine, will
work online</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Business-considerations-section-draft">
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Business-considerations-section-draft</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> here it is<br />
... I welcome feedback<br />
... you can also get me a PDF<br />
... big economic incentive with the status quo<br />
... a case will have to be made<br />
... that new standards have to take into economic
environment<br />
... we need better incentives<br />
... next step is micropayments<br />
... if we don't have a proper new business model</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster1</cite>> payswarm /
openmarketplace is quite active</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> then they will pay
attention to new work<br />
... they don't have a preference to technology use<br />
... not my role for technology use<br />
... a standard approach for micropayments that covers web and
mobile user is inevitable<br />
... but we can go beyond proprietary solutions, payswarm is an
open source strategy</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>petef</cite>> I have to leave too,
apologies. Hhalpin I'll catch up with you tomorrow or
Friday.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> micropayments are
really important indeed</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> the existence of a
micropayment system</p>
<p class='phone'>ReputationDefender comes to mind</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> so abstracting identity
management from networks, transportable across networks.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>paul:</cite> in identity space the
micropayments are not discussed too much<br />
... business is mostly around trust/privacy frameworks for
personal data</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> +1 trust
frameworks</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>paul:</cite> WEF is starting a whole
program here<br />
... personal data ecosystems</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> but someone will
need to pay for the personal data ecosystem</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> and probably that
will be the user</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>paul:</cite> conversations with Berkman
Center, Sandy Pentland's "New Deal for Data"<br />
... need to established to handle business/privacy aspects in
dealing with data<br />
... most of conversations have been around trust/policy
frameworks</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I think those
frameworks will go only slowly if there are no economic
incentives</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> I would like to make
sure that the Framework contributions is included in final
report or pointed to from the final report <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/SocialWebFrameworks2">
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/SocialWebFrameworks2</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>paul:</cite> auditing, clients</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> perhaps problem is
that people are finding the need to sell data and flout pricacy
requirements because there is no other ways to get money?</p>
<p class='phone'>agreed bblfish</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> Status quo
preservation is a business imperative</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> ( it would be fun
to do some brain storming on how to do micropayments with WebID
).</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> sorry to miss that
last meeting</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> it's also mired in
legal problems</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> very, very tied up
with national economic entities</p>
<p class='phone'>very old</p>
<p class='phone'>w3c work on micropayments</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://www.w3.org/ECommerce/Micropayments/">http://www.w3.org/ECommerce/Micropayments/</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> would SSL be
enough?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> that's what I've
heard as well. But there can be security/authorization service
providers</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>paul:</cite> general feeling is that the
level of assurance is too low with OpenID</p>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://www.w3.org/ECommerce/Micropayments/">http://www.w3.org/ECommerce/Micropayments/</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> that's why
guaranteed identity service providers/management layer is
crucial</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>paul:</cite> the problem is assuring you
think your dealing with who you are dealing with, who's been
phished</p>
<p class='phone'>not sure bblfish</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> yes, but you don't
know that either with credit cards?</p>
<p class='phone'>:)</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>bblfish</cite>> and is it really
important for micropayments?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>paul:</cite> usa govt requires openID
for zero-level, infocards for higher-levels</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster1</cite>> yes</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster1</cite>> but mic isnt
working ...</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> but my section is
only 2 pages!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster1</cite>> sure</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>paul</cite>> credit cards work
because there's a parallel network (3d secure, etc.) with a
business rules, (effectively a trust framework) behind it</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> yes, I would like
that. I think that Tim has a good draft</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> sure. Or to make
sure that we are on track for first draft of other sections</p>
<p class='phone'>FIRST draft by next week</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>melvster1</cite>> seems ok :)</p>
<p class='phone'>tpa - anyone interesting in giving a good
review?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> +1</p><a name=
"action07" id="action07"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> paul to review cperey's first draft of
business section [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ACTION-146
- Review cperey's first draft of business section [on Paul
Trevithick - due 2010-06-30].</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> Yep!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>cperey</cite>> good to hear!</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>paul</cite>> apologies that I won't
be on next weeks call</p>
<p class='phone'>trackbot, end meeting</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
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<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to draft
bullet points straw-man for gap analysis [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to write
introduction. [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> paul to review
cperey's first draft of business section [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />
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<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to write
introduction [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin and
melvster to write State of the Social Web in 2010 [recorded in
<a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> PeterF to
make picture of landscape. [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
<strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> tpa to work
on a summary extract of the Social Web current use-cases for part
3 on wiki pages [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />
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