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  <body><p><a href="http://www.w3.org/"><img src="http://www.w3.org/Icons/w3c_home" alt="W3C"
          border="0" height="48" width="72"/></a></p><h1>Media Annotations Working Group</h1><h2>09
      Sep 2008</h2><p><a
        href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Sep/0002.html">
      Agenda</a></p><p>See also: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-irc">IRC
        log</a></p><h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2><div class="intro">
      <dl>
        <dt>Present</dt>
        <dd>tobiasbuerger, raphael, VeroniqueMalaise, erik, Phil_Archer, daniel, Plh, Felix, davy</dd>
        <dt>Regrets</dt>
        <dt>Chair</dt>
        <dd>Felix</dd>
        <dt>Scribe</dt>
        <dd>raphael</dd>
      </dl>
    </div><h2>Contents</h2><ul>
      <li>
        <a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
        <ol>
          <li><a href="#item01">1. Introductions</a></li>
          <li><a href="#item02">2. Selection of scribe</a></li>
          <li><a href="#item03">3. Future telephone conferences</a></li>
          <li><a href="#item04">4. Call for co-chair</a></li>
          <li><a href="#item05">5. Resources</a></li>
          <li><a href="#item06">6. WG Tools</a></li>
          <li><a href="#item07">7. Editing</a></li>
          <li><a href="#item08">8. Working Group schedule</a></li>
          <li><a href="#item09">9. Initial work item from the charter</a></li>
        </ol></li>
      <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
    </ul><hr/><div class="meeting"><h3 id="item01">1. Introductions</h3><p class="phone">Felix and
        Daniel welcome everybody</p><a name="action01" id="action01"/>
      <p class="irc">&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
        <strong>ACTION:</strong> all to write a short introduction on the public mailing list
        [recorded in <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action01"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't find user - all</p><h3 id="item02">2.
        Selection of scribe</h3><p class="phone">There will be a scribelist, alphabetically
        sorted</p><p class="phone">Once one has scribbed, he goes down on the list</p><h3
        id="item03">3. Future telephone conferences</h3><p class="phone">Questionaire sent to the
        list by Felix</p><p class="phone">The time seems to be OK, i.e. 13:00 UTC</p><p
        class="phone">Nobody from the US West Coast yet ...</p><p class="phone">Tuesday is the best
        day</p><p class="phone"><cite>Frequency:</cite> weekly telecon</p><p class="phone"
          ><cite>APPROVED:</cite> telecon every Tuesday, 13:00 UTC</p><h3 id="item04">4. Call for
        co-chair</h3><a name="action02" id="action02"/>
      <p class="irc">&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
        <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to book the bridge for the weekly telecon [recorded in <a
          href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action02"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-1 - Book the bridge for the weekly telecon
        [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-09-16].</p><p class="phone">Current alternative chairs are Felix
        (also team contact) and Daniel</p><p class="phone">Call for volunteers for co-chairing</p><p
        class="phone"><cite>scribe:</cite> should contact Daniel and Felix first</p><h3 id="item05"
        >5. Resources</h3><p class="phone">Felix goes through the list of current resources</p><p
        class="phone"><cite>scribe:</cite> The group will work on public<br/> ... charter, mailing
        list, homepage</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>Zakim</cite>&gt; PhilA, you wanted to ask if
        there's a member-only list as well?</p><p class="phone"><cite>Phil:</cite> is there a member
        mailing list?</p><p class="phone">So far, only a public mailing list</p><p class="phone"
        >Good standing requirement</p><p class="phone">Felix asks for whom is the first
        participation in a WG</p><p class="phone">Daniel and Veronique: first time</p><p
        class="phone"><cite>IBBT:</cite> participated in XG before</p><p class="phone">Felix gives a
        brief estimate of time effort: one working day for each participant, 2 days for
        editors</p><h3 id="item06">6. WG Tools</h3><p class="phone">We are using IRC, Zakim,
        RRSAgent, and tracker</p><p class="phone">Felix encourages participants to look at the
        manual of these bots</p><p class="phone"><cite>scribe:</cite> mandatory for the scribe<br/>
        ... any questions, contact Felix<br/> ... also plan to use bugzilla<br/> ... bugzilla takes
        some time to get used to it<br/> ... please enter issues in the system, but do the
        discussion on the mailing list, using the issue ID. See as an example <a
          href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Apr/0107.html"
          >http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Apr/0107.html</a></p><a
        name="action03" id="action03"/>
      <p class="irc">&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
        <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to give a cvs access to Daniel and to the editors [recorded
        in <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action03"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-2 - Give a cvs access to Daniel and to the
        editors [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-09-16].</p><h3 id="item07">7. Editing</h3><p
        class="phone">We want to set up an XML based environment for editing the specs</p><p
        class="phone"><cite>scribe:</cite> not force to use JAVA Eclipse<br/> ... a new version of
        Eclipse will be described by Felix and/or Phil<br/> ... more up-to-date information
        soon</p><p class="phone">Editing location is: <a href="http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2008/"
          >http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2008/</a></p><p class="phone">Felix goes through the list of the
        documents the group will produce</p><p class="phone">The group will start with the
        Requirements and Use Cases</p><a name="action04" id="action04"/>
      <p class="irc">&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
        <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to prepare the editing environment including templates,
        directories, etc. [recorded in <a
          href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action04"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-3 - Prepare the editing environment
        including templates, directories, etc. [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-09-16].</p><p
        class="phone">From previous experiences, the group plans to have the whole team as
        editors</p><p class="phone"><cite>scribe:</cite> a list of authors will also be
        provided</p><p class="phone">Call for volunteers for being editors</p><p class="phone"
          ><cite>scribe:</cite> email Daniel and Felix, and state your experience in editing
        previous specs<br/> ... declare you asap, so Felix can prepare the editing
        environment</p><h3 id="item08">8. Working Group schedule</h3><p class="phone">Publication of
        an initial WD or requirements document around TPAC</p><p class="phone"><cite>scribe:</cite>
        publication just after TPAC</p><p class="phone"><cite>PhilA:</cite> Seems an ambitious
        schedule</p><p class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> some work already done, from the Multimedia
          XG<br/> ... people from this group might be knowledgable enough to get some actions and
        push the work for a first WD</p><p class="phone"><cite>Daniel:</cite> to which document we
        are talking about?</p><p class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> we are talking about the
        Requirements document</p><p class="phone">From the charter: A W3C Working Group Note for use
        cases and requirements for the Media Ontology</p><p class="phone">First F2F meeting: Thu-Fri
        Oct 23-24, at W3C TPAC 2008, <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/Schedule.html"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/Schedule.html</a></p><p class="irc"
        >&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; sadly that clashes with POWDER...</p><p class="phone"
          ><cite>Raphael:</cite> quick poll who will attend</p><p class="phone">Raphael will</p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>VeroniqueMalaise</cite>&gt; Veronique</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>tobiasbuerger</cite>&gt; one day clashes with another meeting</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>davy</cite>&gt; Davy will</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt;
        will</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>fsasaki</cite>&gt; Felix will attend TPAC meeting</p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; I will be there but only able to meet in the bar
        probably</p><p class="phone">Plan for a second F2F meeting</p><p class="phone"
        ><cite>scribe:</cite> target December<br/> ... most likely 1st week<br/> ... Daniel will
        favor Europe</p><p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> contact the organizers of SAMT'08,
        possible meeting on 1st and 2nd of December in Koblenz (Germany)<br/> ... fallback plan:
        meeting in Amsterdam or Belgium on Dec 8th and 9th</p><h3 id="item09">9. Initial work item
        from the charter</h3><p class="phone">Felix asks if there is any volunteer for picking one
        of the standards mentioned in the charter and write a paragraph summarizing the requirements
        and coverage of these standards ?</p><p class="phone"><cite>scribe:</cite> not only the
        standards, but the various formats, as a follow up of the Multimedia Semantics XG</p><a
        name="action05" id="action05"/>
      <p class="irc">&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
        <strong>ACTION:</strong> VeroniqueMalaise to pull out requirements of one standard (to be
        decided which) [recorded in <a
          href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action05"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't find user - VeroniqueMalaise</p><p
        class="irc">&lt;<cite>erik</cite>&gt; so could MMLab (Davy &amp; Erik)</p><a name="action06"
        id="action06"/>
      <p class="irc">&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
        <strong>ACTION:</strong> Erik to pull out requirements of one standard (to be decided which)
        [recorded in <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action06"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't find user - Erik</p><p class="phone">Felix
        clarifies: not be tigh to the XG document</p><p class="phone"><cite>Phil:</cite> Send also
        use cases we have in mind to the list</p><p class="phone"><cite>PhilA:</cite> don't know yet
        if I can commit to do some work, want to know what would be the use cases<br/> ... is the
        target of this group also to make the video watching safer, particularly for young
          people?<br/> ... unclear what the scope is</p><p class="phone"><cite>Felix:</cite> feel
        free to send all use cases you have in mind, it does not commit you to actually implement
        it</p><p class="phone"><cite>Phil:</cite> the charter mentions also some mappings between
        the ontology and existing standards<br/> ... which ones should we consider?</p><p
        class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> obvious ... IPTC, XMP, EXIF, EBU</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>davy</cite>&gt; MPEG-7</p><p class="phone"><cite>Raphael:</cite> to some
        extent: MPEG-7? EXIF</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>plh</cite>&gt; IPTC, XMP, EXIF,
        MPEG-7</p><p class="irc">&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Forgive my ignorance but does that
        include things I get with .wmv or .mpg files?</p><a name="action07" id="action07"/>
      <p class="irc">&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
        <strong>ACTION:</strong> ALL to check that the list will cover the various formats [recorded
        in <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action07"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't find user - ALL</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>tobiasbuerger</cite>&gt; I think we shouldn't forget about audio specific
        formats like ID3 or musicBrainz; the charter explicitely mentions audio</p><p class="phone"
          ><cite>Erik:</cite> problem of the past Multimedia Semantics XG was that there were not
        enough industrial partners, and over representation of academics</p><p class="phone">+1
        Tobias</p><p class="phone"><cite>Phil:</cite> Adobe will make a call ... W3C is working on
        bringing more industrials</p><a name="action08" id="action08"/>
      <p class="irc">&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
        <strong>ACTION:</strong> ALL to check if there is standards/formats that you would like to
        NOT be considered [recorded in <a
          href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action08"
          >http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action08</a>]</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't find user - ALL</p><p class="irc"
          >&lt;<cite>spark3</cite>&gt; thanks a lot Raphael</p></div><h2><a name="ActionSummary"
        id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
    <strong>[NEW]</strong>
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> ALL to check if there is standards/formats that you would like to NOT
    be considered [recorded in <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action08"
      >http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br/>
    <strong>[NEW]</strong>
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> ALL to check that the list will cover the various formats [recorded in
      <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action07"
      >http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br/>
    <strong>[NEW]</strong>
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> all to write a short introduction on the public mailing list [recorded
    in <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action01"
      >http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br/>
    <strong>[NEW]</strong>
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Erik to pull out requirements of one standard (to be decided which)
    [recorded in <a href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action06"
      >http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br/>
    <strong>[NEW]</strong>
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to book the bridge for the weekly telecon [recorded in <a
      href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action02"
      >http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br/>
    <strong>[NEW]</strong>
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to give a cvs access to Daniel and to the editors [recorded in <a
      href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action03"
      >http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br/>
    <strong>[NEW]</strong>
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Felix to prepare the editing environment including templates,
    directories, etc. [recorded in <a
      href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action04"
      >http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br/>
    <strong>[NEW]</strong>
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> VeroniqueMalaise to pull out requirements of one standard (to be
    decided which) [recorded in <a
      href="http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action05"
      >http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br/> &nbsp;<br/> [End of
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