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<h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>
<h2>03 Mar 2010</h2>
<p><a href=
'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Mar/0003.html'>
Agenda</a></p>
<p>See also: <a href=
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<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
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<dl>
<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>raphael, michael, yves, davy</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dd>Erik, Silvia, Jack</dd>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>Raphael</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>Raphael</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
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<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
<ol>
<li><a href="#item01">1. Admin</a></li>
<li><a href="#item02">2. F2F meeting</a></li>
<li><a href="#item03">3. Specification</a></li>
<li><a href="#item04">4. Media URI Syntax</a></li>
<li><a href="#item05">5. Protocol</a></li>
<li><a href="#item06">6. Rendering media fragments in the
UA</a></li>
<li><a href="#item07">7. Test Cases</a></li>
<li><a href="#item08">8. AB</a></li>
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</li>
<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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<p class='phone'></p>
<p class='phone'></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Date: 03 March
2010</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> scribenick:
raphael</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> scribe: Raphael</p>
<h3 id="item01">1. Admin</h3>
<p class='phone'>PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 24
February 2009 telecon, <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediafrag-minutes.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'>?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='phone'>+1</p>
<p class='phone'>Minutes accepted</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTIOn-145?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-145 --
Raphaël Troncy to adjust the milestones in the charter -- due
2010-03-03 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/145">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/145</a></p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-145</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-145 Adjust
the milestones in the charter closed</p>
<p class='phone'>see the new table schedule on the group home
page, <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/</a></p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-119?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-119 -- Yves
Lafon to request admins to set up a cvs notifications mailing
list and notifications -- due 2009-10-14 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/119">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/119</a></p>
<h3 id="item02">2. F2F meeting</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> Agenda: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FithF2FAgenda">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FithF2FAgenda</a></p>
<p class='phone'>I'm requesting you put more items of things
you would like to have been discussed</p>
<h3 id="item03">3. Specification</h3>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-134?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-134 -- Erik
Mannens to mark up the spec with normative and informative
classes -- due 2010-02-10 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/134">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/134</a></p>
<p class='phone'>Propose to close it, since we marked up
already what is stable and not</p>
<p class='phone'>Some support from Yves</p>
<p class='phone'>no objections</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>conrad</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>mhausenblas</cite>> +1</p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-134</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-134 Mark up
the spec with normative and informative classes closed</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-142?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-142 --
Raphaël Troncy to apply this change in the section 5.1.3
(jack's note) -- due 2010-02-24 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/142">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/142</a></p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-142</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-142 Apply
this change in the section 5.1.3 (jack's note) closed</p>
<h3 id="item04">4. Media URI Syntax</h3>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-126?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-126 -- Yves
Lafon to follow up on error in ABFN for npt -- due 2009-12-23
-- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/126">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/126</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> it is done, both the wiki
page and the document has been changed</p>
<p class='phone'>In the document, at the end, there is a
consolidated annex with what we have imported</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> 4.2.1.3 Wall-clock
time code</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> Editorial note:
Philip</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> The datetime
definition should be imported from either global date and time
(HTML 5) or utc-time (RFC 2326).</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> Editorial note:
Yves</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> In fact it should be a
subset of ISO 8601, RFC 3339 would do. (Need WG decision)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Issue:</cite> which def should we
take?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> Created ISSUE-15 -
Which def should we take? ; please complete additional details
at <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/15/edit">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/15/edit</a>
.</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3339.txt">http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3339.txt</a></p>
<p class='phone'>drop ISSUE-15</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> I would prefer to use the
3339 rather than the def used in HTML5 and the RTSP
protocol<br />
... HTML5 have chosen the ISO def rather than the RFC
definition<br />
... I think they are the same, but we should be consistent in
our ref</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> do you want a WG
decision now ? We are not that many on the call</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> this is not rocket science,
but should be pretty straightforward</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> I would propose a 5 min
discussion at the F2F meeting<br />
... in order to take a WG decision (re: section 4.2.1.3)</p>
<p class='phone'>Bug at <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Nov/0023.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Nov/0023.html</a>
is corrected</p>
<p class='phone'>Bug at <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0093.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0093.html</a>
is corrected</p>
<p class='phone'>The 's' has been dropped</p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-126</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-126 Follow
up on error in ABFN for npt closed</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> the 's' was already
optional but has been dropped</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#collected-syntax">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#collected-syntax</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> the Annex B collects all
the bits of the syntax</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-150?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-150 -- Erik
Mannens to summarize the discussion on the quotes in a mail or
on the wiki -- due 2010-03-03 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/150">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/150</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> whether we should have
quotes or not for track and id will be a topic at the F2F
meeting</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> using quotes seem more
secure ... but it is matter of discussion</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Yves</cite>> we need jack for this
one</p>
<h3 id="item05">5. Protocol</h3>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-123?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-123 -- Yves
Lafon to come up with ABNF for header syntax -- due 2009-12-09
-- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/123">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/123</a></p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> -- pending</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> we need some further
discussion<br />
... in particular how we express the non-temporal
dimension<br />
... my plan is to actually _do_ that during the F2F meeting</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> this is another topic
for the f2f</p>
<h3 id="item06">6. Rendering media fragments in the UA</h3>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-141?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-141 --
Conrad Parker to add a paragraph in the section 5.2.1 that
further clarify the role of the UA for rendering a media
fragment -- due 2010-02-24 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/141">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/141</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Conrad:</cite> I will do that by f2f</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-135?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-135 -- Erik
Mannens to extend section 5 regarding spatial and track
dimension -- due 2010-02-10 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/135">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/135</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> I have looked at it a
little bit</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.europarl.europa.eu/wps-europarl-internet/frd/vod/player?session=last&currentSei=SEI1&language=en">
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/wps-europarl-internet/frd/vod/player?session=last&currentSei=SEI1&language=en</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> look for examples<br />
... examples of bow text fragments can be rendered,
highlighted</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>davy</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKsaq6W3V1s">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKsaq6W3V1s</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> I look also at the
annotation tool of YouTube<br />
... we also look at Flash development<br />
... on the F2F I will make an implementation report<br />
... perhaps with a demo<br />
... but mainly the problems we have</p>
<h3 id="item07">7. Test Cases</h3>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-118?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-118 --
Michael Hausenblas to come up with individual 'normal' test
cases (+/- 20) -- due 2010-03-09 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/118">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/118</a></p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTIONB-118</p>
<p class='phone'>close ACTION-118</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-118 Come up
with individual 'normal' test cases (+/- 20) closed</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-147?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-147 --
Michael Hausenblas to add all MF WG members to corrib -- due
2010-03-05 -- OPEN</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/147">
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/147</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>scribe:</cite> will be done by F2F</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> goal of the F2F is to
review the TC that are in corrib</p>
<p class='phone'>Other actions</p>
<p class='phone'>ACTION-71?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> ACTION-71 --
Michael Hausenblas to investigate whether he could have an
implementation in Javascript that does the client-side media
fragments parsing -- due 2009-10-14 -- CLOSED</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>trackbot</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/71">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/71</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> we mostly look at how to
generate HTTP headers with js<br />
... not really on parsing media fragments<br />
... Silvia was looking at this</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> I will ask Silvia if she
wants to take this action or not at f2f</p>
<h3 id="item08">8. AB</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> is there any other
business to discuss?</p>
<p class='phone'>Next gathering is in Ghent</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Michael:</cite> will be around most of
the time remotely</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> any slots you will 'more'
here than others?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>silvia</cite>> the morning
sessions, as usual</p>
<p class='phone'>same for conrad</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> we will focus deep
discussion during our morning sessions</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>silvia</cite>> thanks, much
appreciated</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> please, all, finish all
your actions BEFORE the f2f</p>
<p class='phone'>S/AOB/AOB</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>SribeOptions:</cite> -final
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
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