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  <h1>- DRAFT -</h1>

  <h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>

  <h2>27 Jan 2010</h2>

  <p><a href=
  'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0064.html'>
  Agenda</a></p>

  <p>See also: <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>

  <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

  <div class="intro">
    <dl>
      <dt>Present</dt>

      <dd>Erik, Davy, Raphael, Conrad_(IRC), Silvia, Philip</dd>

      <dt>Regrets</dt>

      <dd>Jack, Yves, Michael</dd>

      <dt>Chair</dt>

      <dd>Raphael, Eric</dd>

      <dt>Scribe</dt>

      <dd>Raphael</dd>
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  <h2>Contents</h2>

  <ul>
    <li>
      <a href="#agenda">Topics</a>

      <ol>
        <li><a href="#item01">1. Admin</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item02">F2F Meeting</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item03">3. Discussion</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item04">4. AOB</a></li>
      </ol>
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    <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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  <div class="meeting">
    <p class='phone'></p>

    <p class='phone'></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Date: 27 January
    2010</p>

    <p class='phone'>Conrad, are you reading IRC only?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; Scribe: Raphael</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; scribenick:
    raphael</p>

    <h3 id="item01">1. Admin</h3>

    <p class='phone'>PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 20
    January 2009 telecon: <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/20-mediafrag-minutes.html?">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/20-mediafrag-minutes.html?</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davy</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'>+1</p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-127?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-127 -- Yves
    Lafon to look for the charter extension -- due 2010-01-20 --
    OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/127">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/127</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>Minutes of 24/01 are accepted</p>

    <p class='phone'>ACTION-127?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-127 -- Yves
    Lafon to look for the charter extension -- due 2010-01-20 --
    OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/127">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/127</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>Thierry is taking care of that</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> we discuss yesterday the
    charter, and Philippe agree to one year extension for working
    on Media Fragment 1.0 only<br />
    ... I made the request today to W3M<br />
    ... I expect a positive answer since the domain leader
    agrees<br />
    ... I and Philippe emphasize we need to go to last call
    asap</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Goal:</cite> important f2f next month,
    try to solve all issues in order to be prepared to be last call
    in March</p>

    <h3 id="item02">F2F Meeting</h3>

    <p class='phone'>Draft agenda: <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FithF2FAgenda">http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FithF2FAgenda</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Erik:</cite> I will update the venue
    details on the wiki</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> I will book zakim for
    these 2 days<br />
    ... 08 and 09 March, 08:00 AM till 18:00 PM European time</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> please, enter topic of
    discussion of things you would like to have sorted out during
    the f2f meeting<br />
    ... ALL, complete <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FithF2FAgenda#Agenda_Preparation">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FithF2FAgenda#Agenda_Preparation</a></p>

    <h3 id="item03">3. Discussion</h3>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I pointed out a weird
    character in the document</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> might be an encoding
    problem ... UTF-8 displays solves it</p><a name="action01" id=
    "action01"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> troncy to fix the weird character in
    the spec document [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't
    find user - troncy</p>

    <p class='phone'>trackbot, status</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> feedback from FOMS<br />
    ... discussion about Focus Attention behavior<br />
    ... see <a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0055.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0055.html</a><br />

    ... discussion between Conrad, I and Mozilla firefox developers
    and Philip<br />
    ... we need to look at the # as a focus in the player<br />
    ... comes back at the in-context / out-of-context previous
    discussion<br />
    ... we should recommend what a UA should do in the UI when it
    is displaying a media fragment</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> for the spatial fragment,
    you will recommend that a UA will draw a rectangle on the
    region ?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> A browser can always
    overrule what we say<br />
    ... we haven't really dicussed spatial fragments
    rendering<br />
    ... spatial is anyways very spatial, is it really a fragment
    ?<br />
    ... we have discussed the temporal fragment, 99% of our use
    cases :-)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> I agree, let's focus on
    the temporal fragment rendering in UI<br />
    ... I'm looking at <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#processing">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#processing</a><br />

    ... the Section 5 of the current draft</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>foolip</cite>&gt; oh noes, I missed it
    didn't I?</p>

    <p class='phone'>nope philip, not yet</p>

    <p class='phone'>we are half of the telecon :-)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>foolip</cite>&gt; oh, we started 30
    minutes ago, righht?</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Silvia to draft a new subsection in
    the Section 5 regarding the rendering in the UI of media
    fragments, at least for the temporal dimension [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-130
    - Draft a new subsection in the Section 5 regarding the
    rendering in the UI of media fragments, at least for the
    temporal dimension [on Silvia Pfeiffer - due 2010-02-03].</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I haven't thought about
    other dimensions</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Davy:</cite> I will think about
    rendering for other dimensions (spatial and tracks)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> another thread of
    discussion on the mailing list has been triggered by Werner:
    temporal fragments of media with time stamps</p>

    <p class='phone'>See <a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0027.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0027.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>My summary: <a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0075.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0075.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> how should we handle
    that?<br />
    ... SMPTE was motivated by frame-based access to media</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> let's restrict to time
    continuous type of media<br />
    ... timestamps are just markers</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; contiguously marked
    SMPTE time codes</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>ACYTION:</cite> Davy to write down a new
    ISSUE in the tracker regarding the problem raised by werner
    (see also raphael's summary)</p><a name="action03" id=
    "action03"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Davy to write down a new ISSUE in the
    tracker regarding the problem raised by werner (see also
    raphael's summary) [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-131
    - Write down a new ISSUE in the tracker regarding the problem
    raised by werner (see also raphael's summary) [on Davy Van
    Deursen - due 2010-02-03].</p>

    <p class='phone'>Last thing we need to discuss are the proposed
    changes of Philip</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>See:</cite> <a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0034.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jan/0034.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>foolip</cite>&gt; lucky I got here in
    time then :)</p>

    <p class='phone'>Philip, are you joining us on the phone ?</p>

    <p class='phone'>We would like to discuss your proposed
    changes</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>foolip</cite>&gt; I'll see if I can
    phone in</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> Why did we choose ABNF
    syntax in a first place ?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> can't remember why we
    choosed that</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> let's ask Yves if he
    agrees to this change<br />
    ... and more generally, to the group for the new
    paragraphs</p><a name="action04" id="action04"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael will ask on the mailing list
    if anybody has any problem with these changes proposed by
    Philip [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Sorry, couldn't
    find user - Raphael</p>

    <h3 id="item04">4. AOB</h3>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> we should clearly mark
    the stable sections in the document<br />
    ... for the mozilla developpers</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>foolip</cite>&gt; and Opera developers
    :)</p>

    <p class='phone'>of course :-)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Philip:</cite> one more issue ...
    dealing with decimal point ?</p>

    <p class='phone'>trackbot, status</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>silvia</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#processing-protocol-UA-mapped">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#processing-protocol-UA-mapped</a></p><a name="action05"
    id="action05"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Philip to send to the mailing list a
    description of a new issue to be discussed (dealing with
    decimal for specifying time?) [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-132
    - Send to the mailing list a description of a new issue to be
    discussed (dealing with decimal for specifying time?) [on
    Philip Jägenstedt - due 2010-02-03].</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Silvia:</cite> I think we mainly now
    need to discuss the section 5.2.1.x</p><a name="action06" id=
    "action06"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Erik will try to generate some time
    diagram for the protocol description in the section 5.2.1.x
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-133
    - Will try to generate some time diagram for the protocol
    description in the section 5.2.1.x [on Erik Mannens - due
    2010-02-03].</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> ALL to not forget to add
    items for the agenda for the upcoming F2F meeting</p>

    <p class='phone'>[meeting adjourned]</p>
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  <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
  Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Davy to write
  down a new ISSUE in the tracker regarding the problem raised by
  werner (see also raphael's summary) [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Erik will try to
  generate some time diagram for the protocol description in the
  section 5.2.1.x [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Philip to send to
  the mailing list a description of a new issue to be discussed
  (dealing with decimal for specifying time?) [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Raphael will ask
  on the mailing list if anybody has any problem with these changes
  proposed by Philip [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Silvia to draft a
  new subsection in the Section 5 regarding the rendering in the UI
  of media fragments, at least for the temporal dimension [recorded
  in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> troncy to fix the
  weird character in the spec document [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />

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