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  <h1>- DRAFT -</h1>

  <h1>Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference</h1>

  <h2>20 Jan 2010</h2>

  <p>See also: <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/20-mediafrag-irc">IRC log</a></p>

  <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

  <div class="intro">
    <dl>
      <dt>Present</dt>

      <dd>+49.300.aaaa, Thierry, +0329331aabb, Yves, jackjansen,
      +0329331aacc, Davy, +3539149aadd, mhausenblas,
      +329331aaee</dd>

      <dt>Regrets</dt>

      <dd>Erik, Silvia, Conrad</dd>

      <dt>Chair</dt>

      <dd>Raphael</dd>

      <dt>Scribe</dt>

      <dd>Yves</dd>
    </dl>
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  <h2>Contents</h2>

  <ul>
    <li>
      <a href="#agenda">Topics</a>

      <ol>
        <li><a href="#item01">Administrativia</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item02">next f2f</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item03">Spec</a></li>
      </ol>
    </li>

    <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
  </ul>
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  <div class="meeting">
    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davy</cite>&gt; regrets from Erik, he
    is ill</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>scribe</cite>&gt; Scribe: Yves</p>

    <h3 id="item01">Administrativia</h3>

    <p class='phone'>minutes of last Jan 13th..</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; +1 for accepting
    the minutes</p>

    <p class='phone'>ACCEPTED</p>

    <p class='phone'>Charter extension:</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> heading toward one year</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> it will be discussed
    next tuesday. Main issue is the status of MF 2.0 (that was in
    the charter)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> charter has wording
    about changing the charter for future work.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Thierry:</cite> current goal is to
    progress MF 1.0 to REC</p>

    <h3 id="item02">next f2f</h3>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> waiting for answers from
    Conrad &amp; Silvia</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Jack:</cite> they replied</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Michael, can you
    dial in now ?</p>

    <p class='phone'>more noodling needed...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; we need your answer
    regarding date and location for next F2F</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> there are actions
    related to protocol, so we need to close those during the f2f
    (Conrad should attend for that)</p>

    <p class='phone'>Conrad didn't give a full 'ok' for Seoul</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; aadd is me</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> heading toward AMS for
    the next f2f</p>

    <p class='phone'>we need to be sure that Conrad can make it
    virtually</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>davy</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; But for
    coffeeshops Amsterdam is better</p>

    <h3 id="item03">Spec</h3>

    <p class='phone'>We have discussions about processing
    requirements, as well as actions on syntax and tests</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ACTION-126?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-126 -- Yves
    Lafon to follow up on error in ABFN for npt -- due 2009-12-23
    -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/126">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/126</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> there are discussion on
    duration/syntax in header as well, so we might nail both this
    ntp issue and header syntax in one pass</p>

    <p class='phone'>(related to timecodes and non-zero starting
    point)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ACTION-123?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-123 -- Yves
    Lafon to come up with ABNF for header syntax -- due 2009-12-09
    -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/123">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/123</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Yves: we should
    finish that during the F2F meeting</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ... We need to
    discuss that with Conrad who has added recently some stuff</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Jack: how much work
    is needed for a strawman syntax ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Yves: I think I
    have done that</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> tought I already sent it a
    while ago</p>

    <p class='phone'>Yves to investigate on this</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> we need it to pinpoint
    issues</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ACTION-125?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-125 --
    Michael Hausenblas to revisit his ednote in section 5 -- due
    2009-12-09 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/125">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/125</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>jackjansen</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-media-frags-20091217/#processing">
    http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-media-frags-20091217/#processing</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; We are looking at
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-media-frags-20091217/#processing-overview-errors">
    http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-media-frags-20091217/#processing-overview-errors</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>it's in fact Jack's ednote (the second
    one)</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> implementation shouldn't
    make a guess when dealing with broken stuff<br />
    ... we must discuss duing the f2f</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; Discussion about
    whether an over-specified dimension should be an error or not
    in the group</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Yves:</cite> if there is an error it
    might be because it's a bug or it's an extension, or maybe it's
    just something else than a mediafrag</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt; close
    ACTION-125</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-125 Revisit
    his ednote in section 5 closed</p>

    <p class='phone'>so be conservative and do not process
    errors</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> make sure that such
    discussion happen also around the test cases</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>ie:</cite> move/copy the ednote on top
    of the wiki page</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mhausenblas</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> mhausenb to move the editorial note
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-media-frags-20091217/#processing-overview-errors">
    http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-media-frags-20091217/#processing-overview-errors</a>
    to the TC (wiki) [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/20-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/20-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-129
    - Move the editorial note <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-media-frags-20091217/#processing-overview-errors">
    http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-media-frags-20091217/#processing-overview-errors</a>
    to the TC (wiki) [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2010-01-27].</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ACTION-108?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-108 --
    Michael Hausenblas to add the missing test cases in corrib --
    due 2009-11-16 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/108">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/108</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ACTION-115?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-115 --
    Michael Hausenblas to come up with categorization of test cases
    wrt empty, undefined, etc -- due 2009-09-30 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/115">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/115</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ACTION-119?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-119 -- Yves
    Lafon to request admins to set up a cvs notifications mailing
    list and notifications -- due 2009-10-14 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/119">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/119</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Raphael:</cite> so ETA for Michael's
    issues is next week.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>raphael</cite>&gt; ACTION-119?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; ACTION-119 -- Yves
    Lafon to request admins to set up a cvs notifications mailing
    list and notifications -- due 2009-10-14 -- OPEN</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/119">
    http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/119</a></p>

    <p class='phone'>need to check the status</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>jack:</cite> regrets for next week</p>

    <p class='phone'>Yves will be at a f2f next week</p>
  </div>

  <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
  Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> mhausenb to move
  the editorial note <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-media-frags-20091217/#processing-overview-errors">
  http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-media-frags-20091217/#processing-overview-errors</a>
  to the TC (wiki) [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2010/01/20-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2010/01/20-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />

  &nbsp;<br />
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