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  <h1>Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference</h1>

  <h2>23 Sep 2009</h2>

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  <h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>

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      <dt>Present</dt>

      <dd>pchampin, +1.314.683.aabb, mauro, Phil_Archer, bblfish,
      cperey, DKA, mauro.a, mischat_(muted), karl, AlexPassant</dd>

      <dt>Regrets</dt>

      <dt>Chair</dt>

      <dd>hhalpin</dd>

      <dt>Scribe</dt>

      <dd>Karl Dubost</dd>
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  <h2>Contents</h2>

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      <a href="#agenda">Topics</a>

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        <li><a href="#item01">"Convene SWXG WG meeting of
        2009-09-16T13:00-15:00Z"</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item02">Intro</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item03">"General Organization and Task
        Forces"</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item04">Telcon time</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item05">"Invited Guest Invitations"</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item06">"User Stories"</a></li>

        <li><a href="#item07">"Invited Guest - Ros Lawler of Random
        House"</a></li>
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    <li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
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  <div class="meeting">
    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='phone'>&nbsp;</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat</cite>&gt; what is the
    conference name "swxg" ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat</cite>&gt; zakim isn't picking
    up the phone numbers</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat</cite>&gt; dialing in</p>

    <p class='phone'>trackbot, start telcon</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Date: 23 September
    2009</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; i dont see conference
    entry messages</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; hi</p>

    <h3 id="item01">"Convene SWXG WG meeting of
    2009-09-16T13:00-15:00Z"</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AlexPassant</cite>&gt; have you just
    joined as well hhalpin ?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; scribe: Karl
    Dubost</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; PROPOSED: to
    approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 16th September 2009 (only text IRC
    notes!) as a true record.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/16-swxg-minutes.html">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/16-swxg-minutes.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>rreck</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; APPROVED: SWXG WG
    Weekly -- 16th September 2009 as a true record.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat</cite>&gt; hehe</p><a name=
    "action01" id="action01"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> hhalpin needs
    to convert previous minutes into HTML via some scripting
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>

    <h3 id="item02">Intro</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Meet again next
    Sept 30th.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> we should get
    Saint-Andre for XMPP</p>

    <h3 id="item03">"General Organization and Task Forces"</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Include the open
    day work..</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> We are on a track …<br />
    ... 200 people for the venue<br />
    ... It will be like a barcamp event<br />
    ... we will have opportunity to learn about social
    networking<br />
    ... and @@blabla<br />
    ... christine proposed an agenda</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Planning_for_TPAC_Open_Day">
    http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Planning_for_TPAC_Open_Day</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> we need to add some
    sessions<br />
    ... w3c wishes we are using channels of w3c for
    communicating?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; so the name of the
    wiki page needs to be modified!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; henry?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> there will be cakes</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>DKA</cite>&gt; You had me at
    "cakes."</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> there will be a
    cantine<br />
    ... (kind of restaurant)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; so we need a
    registration system. Who has one of those?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; for registration
    I'd use eventbrite.com</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> We need to have a place
    where people can sign-up</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; seems to work
    well.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; exactly, we need a
    web page</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> barcamp alike</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; what about speaker
    invites?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; can we brainstorm
    some speaker names?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; on wiki or on the
    call?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; not choppy here</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; agreed</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; can you please
    propose a day/time?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Planning_for_TPAC_Open_Day">
    http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Planning_for_TPAC_Open_Day</a>
    &lt;--at the bottom of the page is a place for invites</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; "before the
    call"</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>DKA:</cite> We could meet before the
    call next week</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> If people could attend
    identity workshop</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Sep/0050.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Sep/0050.html</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>DKA</cite>&gt; Suggest a tag line for
    the event "Advancing the Cause of the Social Web."</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/">http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; I should be
    there</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> Most of the good
    speakers will be at the identity workshop.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://iiw9.eventbrite.com/">http://iiw9.eventbrite.com/</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat</cite>&gt; barcamp uses it
    too</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA2</cite>&gt; I've used Eventbrite
    - seems good</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> I will be there<br />
    ... should we start something for the open social web day<br />
    ... It would be good if people could attend.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Thursday on
    TPAC</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> We will have two days at
    the TPAC but it's kind possible to attend both</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Open Developer
    Day</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> On TPAC, there will be
    also the Open Developer Day.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; We are also looking
    for one or two speakers to talk about Social Web to the people
    at the developer day.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> We are also looking for
    one or two speakers to speak about Social web things at the
    Open Developer Day.<br />
    ... Please register asap</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Sep/0051.html">
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Sep/0051.html</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> there is a suggestion to
    change the telcon time</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; 6:00 AM in
    California</p>

    <h3 id="item04">Telcon time</h3>

    <p class='phone'><cite>UNKNOWN_SPEAKER:</cite> it is a bit
    early on the west coast</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; If we kept the same
    day but moved the call back 2 hours.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>MacTed</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>UNKNOWN_SPEAKER:</cite> How many people
    would be ok if we keep the same day</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>AlexPassant</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>oshani</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; 2 hours would be
    fine for me.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>melvster</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; two hours</p>

    <p class='phone'>but two hours.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>DKA</cite>&gt; +1 I would be fine.</p>

    <p class='phone'>-1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'>-1 (work reasons)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Adam</cite>&gt; what about just an
    hour later?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; bear in mind that
    daylight savings is coming up soon.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; yes, that messes
    things up</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>karl:</cite> I will not be able to move
    my time because of my work in a Web agency</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Make it 2 hours
    LATER</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>karl:</cite> that's fine though. change
    the time</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; So 15:00UTC</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Karl - can you do 2
    hours later?</p>

    <p class='phone'><strong class='resolution'>RESOLUTION: Telconf
    is moved at 15:00 UTC</strong></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; (was there a
    resolution already?)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Let's not change it
    quite yet</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Let me run this by
    some of the people in San Fran</p>

    <p class='phone'>:) resolution might be changed ;)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; They actually
    trying to participate.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; it would be slightly
    easier to change it after we are all aligned</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; after change of
    daylight savings</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>melvster</cite>&gt; california has
    daylight saving too, normally its 1-2 weeks within the european
    change</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Dan:</cite> it's not sure we will get
    more participants by moving the time</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA2</cite>&gt; I have tried
    changing times of calls to suit different people before now -
    and in that case the people we changed to accommodate - didn't
    ever show up :-(</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; I agree, 8 is limit
    9am would be something</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> somepeople asked<br />
    ... so we could try</p><a name="action02" id="action02"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to get back to people on
    possible telecon time to change to 15:00 UTC. [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-89
    - Get back to people on possible telecon time to change to
    15:00 UTC. [on Harry Halpin - due 2009-09-30].</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> just asking for now</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; +q</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; how does daylight
    saving time change things</p><a name="action03" id=
    "action03"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> cperey to
    start a wiki page about the open day session at TPAC [recorded
    in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p><a name="action04"
    id="action04"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> DKA to
    double-check on TPAC, make sure SWXG is booked. [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]</p><a name="action05"
    id="action05"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> DKA to
    summarize OSLO and geoLocation conversation in order to spread
    knowledge of these efforts among W3C members. [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]</p><a name="action06"
    id="action06"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> Mischa to
    describe/implement a report of terms and conditions, and how
    they change between now and the end of the XG. [recorded in
    <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat</cite>&gt; hhalpin: am aware
    of my action, will get on it</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; We definitely
    should wait till we are on the spread.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> we could wait until
    everyone is on the same timezone<br />
    ... for avoiding the mess of time change</p><a name="action07"
    id="action07"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> Melvster to
    write up David Raggett's guest talk on context, delegated
    privacy providers, and so on. [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]</p>

    <p class='phone'><a href=
    "http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?low=8">http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?low=8</a></p>

    <h3 id="item05">"Invited Guest Invitations"</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; e.g. Sydney is
    UTC+10, but in practice is either 9 hours or 11 hours ahead of
    London because of non-overlapping daylight savings.</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> what should we do for
    upcoming guest speakers?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt;
    www.globallockbox.com</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> they don't do privacy
    policy per se</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Nov or October?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; so long as they're
    talkign about general issues, trends etc., and their approach
    in broad brush, seems great</p><a name="action08" id=
    "action08"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> danbri to
    find someone from Opera to talk Widgets [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> Is what they do is
    relevant to social networks?</p><a name="action09" id=
    "action09"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> danbri and
    karl to contact Evan of identi.ca over OpenMicroblogging and
    W3C. [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action09</a>]</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> they do a lot of
    things</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; rather than on
    detail of the patented works, which i think we wouldn't want to
    hear about</p><a name="action10" id="action10"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> Renato and
    DanBri and hhalpin to schedule DataPortability.org/XMPP
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action10</a>]</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> they are in
    California,</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat</cite>&gt; i would like to try
    and invite someone from the BBC to talk about how they used
    twitter to report news on this last iranian elections, post
    having all of their reporter being chucked out</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>cperey:</cite> so they will be happy if
    we change the time.</p><a name="action11" id="action11"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> cperey to book global lockbox as an
    invited speaker [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action11">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action11</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-90
    - Book global lockbox as an invited speaker [on Christine Perey
    - due 2009-09-30].</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat</cite>&gt; i will start
    mailing people and i will mail the list</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; yes</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; yes</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>mischat:</cite> On the guardian, they
    had an interview<br />
    ... about how bbc tracked the iranian elections through
    twitter</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; that would be great,
    +1 from me</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>melvster</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>pchampin</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>mischat:</cite> would people be happy to
    hear that.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>DKA</cite>&gt; +1</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; sounds interstig,
    particulary re provenance use case danbri brought up
    earlier</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; provenance and
    retweet api discussions continue in the statusnet list</p>

    <h3 id="item06">"User Stories"</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; anyone from
    OpenSocial?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>cperey</cite>&gt; I've touched bases
    with David Glazer</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://lists.status.net/pipermail/statusnet-dev/2009-September/002344.html">
    http://lists.status.net/pipermail/statusnet-dev/2009-September/002344.html</a>
    - statusnet / retweet thread</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>hhalpin:</cite> bblfish do you have any
    updates?</p><a name="action12" id="action12"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> adam to
    write up the boeing use case for enterprise social networks
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action12">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action12</a>]</p><a name="action13"
    id="action13"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> rreck to
    flesh out anonymous usecase connecting to multiple identies and
    null provenance [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action13">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action13</a>]</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> I will be meeting with
    someone in Paris here</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; When you meet up
    with Tim ping me</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; And I can walk you
    and Tim through the W3C CVS editing process</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; and we can
    hopefully get Oshani on the week.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Oshani on the call
    - and Karl also would know all of this!!</p><a name="action14"
    id="action14"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> Oshani to
    merge document takedown with time-related takedown "forget this
    in ten years" and more general concept of data removal.
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action14">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action14</a>]</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> I would like to have a
    document to be easier to read.</p><a name="action15" id=
    "action15"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> oshani to
    reframe the geolocation/intent/portability [recorded in
    <a href="http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action15">
    http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action15</a>]</p><a name="action16"
    id="action16"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> oshani to
    flesh out "Intransitivity of Policies Applied to Social Network
    Data" [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action16">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action16</a>]</p><a name="action17"
    id="action17"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> bblfish
    to relabel data protection use case to be about controlled
    access and takedown to data "about" you [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action17">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action17</a>]</p><a name="action18"
    id="action18"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> bblfish
    to merge Family and Group access usecases [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action18">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action18</a>]</p><a name="action19"
    id="action19"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> caribou
    to flesh out Data Protection use-case specifying user vs.
    purpose, cite their work in PrimeLife [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action19">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action19</a>]</p><a name="action20"
    id="action20"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[CONTINUES]</strong> hhalpin
    explain to henry and oshani doc editing process for usecases
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action20">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action20</a>]</p>

    <h3 id="item07">"Invited Guest - Ros Lawler of Random
    House"</h3>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>oshani</cite>&gt; 2 of my actions are
    done: <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories#Document_Takedowns">
    http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories#Document_Takedowns</a>
    and <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories#Intransitivity_of_Policies_Applied_to_Social_Network_Data">
    http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories#Intransitivity_of_Policies_Applied_to_Social_Network_Data</a></p><a name="action21"
    id="action21"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> oshani to
    flesh out "Intransitivity of Policies Applied to Social Network
    Data" [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action21">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action21</a>]</p><a name="action22"
    id="action22"></a>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> <strong>[DONE]</strong> Oshani to
    merge document takedown with time-related takedown "forget this
    in ten years" and more general concept of data removal.
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action22">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action22</a>]</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>bbb:</cite> a lot of the user stories we
    have are centered on individuals</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.linkedin.com/pub/ros-lawler/7/327/b0b">http://www.linkedin.com/pub/ros-lawler/7/327/b0b</a></p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Ros:</cite> we have experimented into
    social networks</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Guest speaker: Ros
    Lawler, random House</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Ros:</cite> identifying fan and
    interests group</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; uses social networks
    to find fan groups</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; create fan groups</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>Ros:</cite> creating fan groups<br />
    ... the work of analysis is a lot easier</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.davegorman.com/">http://www.davegorman.com/</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Will try Karl</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; If there's no fan
    gourp - how do we create one</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; terry Pratchet</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Need to understand
    the community, like Terry Pratchett</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Approached Bebo to do
    some promo work as taregting younger demographic</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Bebo more
    creative</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Contatcted marketing
    folk at Bebo - make it interesting nad we'll make it easy for
    you</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; get folk on Bebo to
    dress up as Dsicword characters</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Got list of over x
    thousand friends - quick data captyre</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Facebook has lots of
    activity. Some good some not</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Worked well - long
    cookery list</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; "cooking the
    books"</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Group called cooking
    teh books - work within frameowrk of social network</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; We have author sites,
    chick let sites etc</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; ROY - return on
    invsetment</p>

    <p class='phone'>social networks can be really time
    consuming</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Can be time consuming
    to run a new group - so need to make sure we're actually
    getting sales</p>

    <p class='phone'>direct sales are really poor in social
    network</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Need to fine ways to
    build data capture</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; E-mail gives us a
    good ROI - use SNs to capture e-mail etc.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Good publicity
    success on the back of SNs</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Still working on how
    much time do you put in</p>

    <p class='phone'>karl wonders if there are metrics for
    measuring</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; balance of
    effort/return</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>ccc:</cite> one of the obsessive topic
    is privacy</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>ros:</cite> it has to be opt-in.<br />
    ... in terms of our privacy we don't have any</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Some of us did this
    from our personal profiles - now moved into professional
    area</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Now done in name of
    author, or publishing house or imprint</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>ccc:</cite> are there missing features
    on twitter?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; PhilA: is there
    things you'd like to see on Twitter and SNs?</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>ros:</cite> it is very time consuming,
    we could a one login for all of them.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Ros: Don't think
    there is a shortcut - wish there were one</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; "onr login to all
    of them"</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>ros:</cite> log in to all of them,
    etc.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Lots of people here
    being shown how to use Tweetdeck etc. IT teems say no to
    download and install anything</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; so you have to work
    from home :-)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Everyone appreciates
    the argument but it gets in the way.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; So there's a rpobelm
    from a corporate point of view</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>Zakim</cite>&gt; karl, you wanted to
    ask if it is time consuming to contribute or to read</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>MacTed</cite>&gt; (trouble with
    Twitter echoes to Facebook, LJ, etc., is -- how can I read my
    Tweetstream *and* those others without endless
    duplication/multiplication? Usenet is hard to reinvent!)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; DKA: Vodafone is very
    large and conservative - the culture change needed for
    corporate networks to be available is big. It's still
    happening, we're not there yet. But it does need to happen</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; .. it happens from
    the PR organisation, not the IT team</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; .. the PR team get it
    - the IT Crew may need more persuasion</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; DKA: Maybe there's
    somthing to be said about Best pratice for large
    orgnaisations</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; IT policies can be a
    blocker to adoption</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Ros: We're also
    discussing cost. We take up a lot of bandwidth looking at
    facebook and so on - what is the legitimate use of the system.
    Video increasingly improtant</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Karl: Is it time
    consuming to read or to contribute?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Ros: Both take a lot
    of time to do properly. It's about establishing a relationship.
    Doing it meaningfully takes time</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; re "Best pratice for
    large orgnaisations", ... interesting suggestion</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat</cite>&gt; i recall Habitat™
    using Twitter to get advertising traffic, and was caught out
    for trying to hijack #iranelections to sell their products
    <a href=
    "http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8116869.stm.">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8116869.stm.</a>
    I wonder how bad that was for their reputation</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Karl: From my
    experience it's a lot easier to track things when you're
    organised. An aggregator can create dynamic lists, and
    filtering. Contributing can take longer</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Ros: We're creating
    content that we want to be able to distribute across multiple
    sites - hence we've created out own widget that gives you free
    access to some new books etc.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; .. gets more mass
    reach through social objects and automated distribution</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Adam: We (boeing) did
    a bench mark study about the culture - we had to not release
    tech because the culture wasn't ready. Is this going to save me
    time and money?</p>

    <p class='phone'>culture is more important than technology.
    Pushbacks are coming from the need to understand if it will be
    beneficial to the company</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Culture more
    improtant than tech</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Ros: When I joined 3
    years ago digital literacy was very low. Now we've built it up
    throughout the organisation</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; ack: bblfish</p>

    <p class='phone'><cite>bblfish:</cite> how many social networks
    you are following and contributing?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; bblfish: How many SNs
    do you contribute to/follow and how many can you not join
    because it's too much work</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Ros: we do have a lot
    of marketeers across the company - probably 10 or so across the
    group - and we go where the fans/readers are</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; .. yes, we're on
    TWitter and FB because that's where the numbers are but then
    we'll do more specialist things like, for example, LinkedIn for
    launching Richard Branson's book</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Ros: from a user
    point of view, there has tpo be a really big driver to sign up
    for another SN, setting up a new account</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; thinking of
    ning</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat</cite>&gt; agreed hhalpin</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; .. we'll see them set
    up, say FB nad then go to Twitter, but there needs to be a
    stroing interest to get them to move</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; harry: Ojne thing
    we're interested in is standardisation - making it easier for
    everyone</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; doh, skype-out
    account ran dry...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; .. all the things
    I've been invited to are based on Ning and there are otehr
    specialist sites - do you think some sort of distributed SN
    standard would help or hurt businesses?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; re publisher
    industry use of social nets, relatedly i heard that many
    Myspace API efforts eg <a href=
    "http://search.cpan.org/dist/WWW-Myspace/lib/WWW/Myspace.pm">http://search.cpan.org/dist/WWW-Myspace/lib/WWW/Myspace.pm</a>
    are driven by needs of music publicists</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Ros: The publis that
    we're trying to reach are quite sophisticted. If it's not as
    good as facebook then it's not any good. It must do at least
    that much.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; What we want is a mix
    of personal pages and advertising - that's the ideal - for
    us</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; W3C Widgets comes
    to mind...</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; .. we have to make a
    differnet version of our widget for different SNs</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; And of course
    OpenSocial</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; ack: Mischa</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; mischa: I saw habitat
    jumping on the #iranelections tag on twitter to get people to
    go to their shops. Any otehr examples of other people doing it
    wrong?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Ros: They had a lot
    of bad PR. but the dust has settled. It did them damage but
    it's gone and long term it's not really an issue</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; .. Moonfruit were in
    the press a lot. twitter banned #moonfruit eventually</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>danbri</cite>&gt; re w3c widgets
    -meet- social networks, see <a href=
    "http://incubator.apache.org/wookie/">http://incubator.apache.org/wookie/</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; They'r a white label
    website provider. Just include #moonfruit in your tweet and get
    a free xyz - and Twitter jumped in editorially for the first
    time. Big discussion./</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; +q</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>tinkster</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://mashable.com/2009/07/01/moonfruit-macbook/">http://mashable.com/2009/07/01/moonfruit-macbook/</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat</cite>&gt; agreed bblfish
    !</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; bblfish: so that
    raises the question of ownership?</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; .. there's an editor
    that can ban people from the network - in a distributed system
    everyone wons their own stuff. Would that be seen as
    valuable</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; (yes, this returns
    to the licensing issues)</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>PhilA</cite>&gt; Ros: yes. Look at the
    T&amp;Cs - Ning owns copyright on anythign you post - so we
    can't post any of our book content because actually we own
    that, not them!</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat</cite>&gt; good point</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; it would be
    interesting not just to look at privacy policies but content
    ownership</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>mischat</cite>&gt; agreed hhalpin</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; thanks
    ross!</p><a name="action23" id="action23"></a>

     <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt;
    <strong>ACTION:</strong> Archer to write summary of Ros's talk
    [recorded in <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action25">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action25</a>]</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>trackbot</cite>&gt; Created ACTION-91
    - Write summary of Ros's talk [on Phil Archer - due
    2009-09-30].</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>melvster</cite>&gt; <a href=
    "http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuestSummaries">
    http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuestSummaries</a></p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>hhalpin</cite>&gt; Adjourn
    Meeting.</p>

    <p class='irc'>&lt;<cite>bblfish</cite>&gt; we should do a
    podcast of these meetings ;-)</p>
  </div>

  <h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
  Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Archer to write
  summary of Ros's talk [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action25">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action25</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> cperey to book
  global lockbox as an invited speaker [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action11">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action11</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin to get
  back to people on possible telecon time to change to 15:00 UTC.
  [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />

  <strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> PhilA to write
  summary of Ros's talk [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action23">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action23</a>]<br />

  &nbsp;<br />
  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> adam to write
  up the boeing use case for enterprise social networks [recorded
  in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action12">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action12</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> bblfish to
  merge Family and Group access usecases [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action18">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action18</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> bblfish to
  relabel data protection use case to be about controlled access
  and takedown to data "about" you [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action17">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action17</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> caribou to
  flesh out Data Protection use-case specifying user vs. purpose,
  cite their work in PrimeLife [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action19">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action19</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri to
  find someone from Opera to talk Widgets [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action08">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action08</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to
  summarize OSLO and geoLocation conversation in order to spread
  knowledge of these efforts among W3C members. [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action05">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action05</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin
  explain to henry and oshani doc editing process for usecases
  [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action20">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action20</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Mischa to
  describe/implement a report of terms and conditions, and how they
  change between now and the end of the XG. [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action06">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action06</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> oshani to
  flesh out "Intransitivity of Policies Applied to Social Network
  Data" [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action16">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action16</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Oshani to
  merge document takedown with time-related takedown "forget this
  in ten years" and more general concept of data removal. [recorded
  in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action14">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action14</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> oshani to
  reframe the geolocation/intent/portability [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action15">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action15</a>]<br />

  <strong>[PENDING]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> rreck to
  flesh out anonymous usecase connecting to multiple identies and
  null provenance [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action13">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action13</a>]<br />

  &nbsp;<br />
  <strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> cperey to start
  a wiki page about the open day session at TPAC [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />

  <strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> danbri and karl
  to contact Evan of identi.ca over OpenMicroblogging and W3C.
  [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action09">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action09</a>]<br />

  <strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> DKA to
  double-check on TPAC, make sure SWXG is booked. [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action04">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action04</a>]<br />

  <strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> hhalpin needs to
  convert previous minutes into HTML via some scripting [recorded
  in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />

  <strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Melvster to
  write up David Raggett's guest talk on context, delegated privacy
  providers, and so on. [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action07">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action07</a>]<br />

  <strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> oshani to flesh
  out "Intransitivity of Policies Applied to Social Network Data"
  [recorded in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action21">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action21</a>]<br />

  <strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Oshani to merge
  document takedown with time-related takedown "forget this in ten
  years" and more general concept of data removal. [recorded in
  <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action22">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action22</a>]<br />

  <strong>[DONE]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Renato and
  DanBri and hhalpin to schedule DataPortability.org/XMPP [recorded
  in <a href=
  "http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action10">http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-swxg-minutes.html#action10</a>]<br />

  &nbsp;<br />
  [End of minutes]<br />
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